Category: Let's talk
It's something that a lot of teenagers think aboutand I have thought a couple of times. Is it nessecarily bad.
Yeah! I've already committed suicide once, and it was no fun, so I don't think I'll do it again.
lmao jesse, suicide is selfish, and pointless. I will say no more
Well, that's why I'm not gonna commit any more suicide! I'll never do it again, I promise!
Delicious, you're still so young, why would you be thinking about suicide? Has life really been so awful for you? It's sad to hear about people committing suicide, especially when it's teenagers who choose this way out of problems. I don't think suicide should ever be an option when you're going through hard times, but I can understand why someone would be driven to this action. It's better to be a strong person and choose to ride out whatever is causing you pain. I don't know what to say about people who are suffering from terminal diseases; it seems like death would probably be the best thing for them but still, you're young and life gets better. There's a lot more to think about in this life than just your problems, your whole life is ahead of you. It'll get better and you'll see that every problem you've ever had in life served a purpose. Pain can make you wise if you're willing to learn from what it has to teach you.
well if you earn so many points, you get extra lives. I like using cheat codes to earn unlimited health.
but in all seriousness, i think it's pointless, and would never do such a thing.
suicide is only cool when you're a pussy, Cats have 9 lives, so you get time in which to perfect the art.
lol kev, but in most cases it's very selfish. If you are sick and will never get better. I would understand, but some people doing it for stupid reasons or finantial that leaves other people with the pain and the debt. i guess you're dead and you don't care but it's plane selfish.
I have atempted more times than I can count. I have bipolar disorder and can get really depressed. I have learned that there are other ways more healthy ways to handle problems sometimes I have to call a chrisis line or go to the hospital. But, in the end its all worth it because nothing is more precious than life. I know what its like if ya need to talk let me know I will help ya out. I do it with my bf a lot and we kind of help each other. I love him and he loves me and sometimes love is the only thing to live for in my mind but at least there is that.
I've thought about it and I wish I never did. It's really not worth it. There's more to your life then one could imagine, so just live your life to the fullest and if you do feel like you are going to have those thoughts then that's why help is available rather it would be through a friend, crisis center, etc.
Troy
Suicide is not only selfish but the coward's way out. Life can never get so bad that your only way out is death. Believe me when I say this cause' I speak from experience. I've not only attempted suicide I've also spent many years as a cutter. Lately, my form of cutting has progressed to self inflicted pain such as tattoos or piercings and even that I have to steer clear from as it's not a healthy form of expression. Life is hard. No one ever said it was supposed to be perfect or easy and it is what we make of it although some circumstances make that more difficult at times. The best way and sometimes the only way to deal with hard times is to talk it out. I always am grateful I have wonderful friends to see me through those hard times. Not everyone is that lucky so I extend my arm out to you and say that if you ever need someone to talk to you are more than welcome to contact me. Take care, Stay safe, and Remember: Even in the worst of times when we think we are alone and no one cares, someone always does!
I have attempted it several times, and its not fun. I really regret that now. With some of the ways I tried I still have lasting scars. Those scars both emotional and physical will never go away. However, I have realized in the past year mainly that that is not the answer. I went to a place called Heartland and learned a lot. With those coping skills I have been able to make several strides forward. I haven't attempted anything since last jan. and will never do so again. I have way to many things to live for including my family friends b f, and my upcoming guide dog. also I want to be a teacher and raise a family and can't do that if I kill myself, now that is not to say that there has not been bad times since I got out of heartland, there has really bad times, but I have gotten through, done a lot of self advocacy, gotten accepted to guide dog school for feb. and many many more things. also in heartland I was put on more meds then I could count, and now have sucessfully been taken off all of them and am doing fantastically. Thanks for the oppurtunity to share
I've tried twice and been deadly serious each time and Jesse you are stupid retarded waste of space.Brain what's that? Exactly!
suicide is nothing to laugh at.
Also, if someone reallty wants to die, they should be allowed to.
Suicide is far from stupid or a waste of time if it relieves the person of their pain. I have been seriously ill after a massive breakdown, and I was desperate and for those who will no doubt yell selfish bastard, due to their ignorance. I was wracked with guilt before and when I became sufficiently rational to understand what I'd done to my parents and my brother, who found me in time, and saved my life. It is selfish, agonising, horrible and definately NOT the act of a coward, can you imagine the level of courage you need to leap from a bridge or in front of a speeding train.
I too have seriously considered suicide, and damn near attempted it once. I got stopped litterally at the last second by a friend showing up unexpectedly at my house. He had no idea what was happening, just said he had a feeling he should come over, so he followed the impulse. I won't say suicide is stupid, but I don't think it's the right way to go, either.
No offense to anyone here, but I also can't stand it when people say, "You're so young, why would you possibly want to commit suicide, when your life has so many possibilities left?" Anyone who says that must not have ever really considered killing themselves. Anyone who has been there knows that if you're going through enough to make you consider dying by your own hand, then your life doesn't seem to have much possibility, and any that there is seems negative at the time. People saying, "You're so young, why would you want to do that," only makes it worse in my mind. So for God's sake, get over the age of the person, and just listen and understand.
Sorry for the ranting, but this is a hot-button issue for me.
Yeah, I have been in the hospital a bunch and just worked my way down to one script for now to work as a mood stablizer and the doc says thats all i need. I think she is right.
Suicide..
...Suicide... it is one of those words of so much misunderstanding and on so many levels.
Pain, deep pain.. grief and heart-ache.. the not knowing or..understanding..
years of decades pass
Suicide..
...as a child growing up I would from time to time hear my parents speak of an uncle on my mother's side of the family who at one point attempted...Suicide... and life remained..then he went away and never returned.. ever the search for long the while to locate this uncle/brother of my mother..till the thot, he must have died... and Where???... no answers... the lingering thot, did he take his life...??
In Memory ~ Ronnie M.
...and to Jenni the words you previously spoke about, "I love him and he loves me and sometimes love is the only thing to live for in my mind but at least there is that." that is like so real a thot... love can carry us onward.. Girl, what can I say.. *hugs sweetie*
Connie ~ Grace
I agree with dawn, age doesn't matter anyone can have feelings of suiside. I have attempted twice. The second time was worse. I had to go to the hospital and get an ECG. My heart was beating to fast. I was attempted a third time but didn't do it. I remembered my guide dog and that is what stoped me from doing it. I didn't have a guide dog the first times I did it. Now I have Venlafaxine and Seroqual to help me. But lately I have taken to hitting myself. But nobody should be called stupid for feeling like this.
have to agree with Goblin. It shouldn't be laughed at on any account. Yes, on one hand it's selfish on the ones left behind; but on the other hand, I know what it's like to feel sooo low, ya just don't know what to do or what to feel. You can just feel soooo helpless, and that no-one or nothing can pick you up. Yes, I know how it feels unfortunately. However, people like myself suffer from depression. we have good family and friends around us. and with the right medication, our moods can be balenced.
however, some people have had it tough due to everything not in their control. They have no family or friends, they may have been abused all their lives. If there's no-one around that truely care for them, it would feel worse than I, (or anyone else not in their situation) can ever imagine!
no it's definatley something that shouldn't be laughed at, suicide is a serious matter and when someone is experiencing those thoughts, they need to be comforted and be aware that someone is there for them and that they're not alone. I speak from experience and when I find myself having flash bakcs of when I was going through that difficult and scarey time, I get reminded that I'm glad that I didn't act on my thoughts. Going through suicide is normal, I think everyone goes through it at some point in their life. I just want everyone to know that have those thoughts or have feelings of sadness and feelings of worthlesness , that there is help out there and I'd advise you to go and take that help . I am glad I did. I'm not saying that I am fine now, because I'm not I still get very sad and depressed and I feel like I'm alone and that I have noone to help me out with this. I have to say that having friends help. I'm just glad that they have help and medicine out there for those of us like myself who need it.
I agree with Chocolate Girl, that sometimes the simplest thing keeps a person alive when they don't want to be. My kitty, Shadow, has done the same for me. I've stayed in this world for him, when I didn't want to for anyone or anything else.
Sometimes I think even when people know there is help out there, we don't take it, cuz it makes us feel weak. I was in the hospital in 2005 for my near attempt. I used to be ashamed of it, thinking it was the weakest thing I'd ever done in my life, checking myself in. However, after a lot of hard thinking, I've decided that it was actually one of the strongest things I've done. So, while I certainly don't want anyone to go through it, I think getting the help is actually a very gutsy thing to do, not a sign of weakness. Anyone who has the courage to face their darkness head-on and fight their way out of it deserves to be commended.
hey, i'd like to let you know I'm here for you too.
hugs
Well, several thihngs:
first I attempted the first time in 2005 it was after a graduation, I over dosed. Then in the fall of that year I tried more times then I can count by cutting and such, I over dosed again, and last jan I cut so bad I had to go to the hospital back in April I went to Heartland and was there for 2 and a half months. that helped me more then anything else because I was able to have intinsive therapy and groups and be around people that understood. I haven't attempted to even hurt myself since. It hasn't even crossed my mind. I was on Depicote, Ceriquel, Cinthroid, and Paxel CR, and I thought they helped but obviously they didn't do much because I am not taking any of that now and am doing fantastically. I am getting ready to main stream back into public school, go to guide dog school, and so much more. I am ready to have a life now. The reason for this is I finally realized that I needed help and accepted it, until we except help even if it is offered or shuved down our throats it won't help. I accepted it and am now in a much better place. I must also mention that it would not have happened with out my friends and teachers, Ms. Arnold, Kristin, Ms. Roth, Mrs. Sokol, my therapists and other people that were just there to let me talk and vent. and my animals helped a lot. Well thanks for the oppurtunity to share my experiences. Jessica
jessica, honey i dont think you needed the meds. Honestly, i think you had a shitty time but you arent as bad as those drug pushing child psychiatrists in st. louis said you were. they had you and me both on so much shit the pills drove us nuts because we were kids and the combos they were giving us were for adults in there late twenties. I can control my bp without a shit load of pills sometimes without any pills so i know you can.
you are exactly right. I am on nothing at all now and haven't been in like a month now and am doing better then I have ever done. The pills caused me to do crap I could not control and I hated it because I sort of knew I was doing it but couldn't control it. it was awful for me because it was similar to living in a fog, like being almost deaf and unable to control your actions, and that has caused me a lot of problems when applying for things because MSB gives me a bad repuation when I could not control a lot of it.
yeah they do me too but i really dont have anyone to turn too fuck them and there psychiatrists Dr. Paul and mrs Bidstrup said i didnt need the meds after i got off of them but the time i was on them they swore by them. I dont know that place is fucked
that is because they don't want you to stop taking the meds because they think it will have a bad effect but what they don't realize is the bad effects are already happening because you are on the meds how retarded but it is the truth.
I know i sware i heard voice and saw shit on the meds
yep sounds quite familiar and apparently I cussed out people I didn't know I did that to and other crap
Suicide is a once in a lifetime experience for sure and, yes, it's awfully selfish just leaving the people that rely on you on their own with a funeral bill and may be a note. I'm not saying peole do it out of selfishness but the act itself is terribly selfish. It's very much a last and final and ultimate resort and once you think about it seriously you might want to get help and see the benefit of other options, that will be worthhile in the long term, because there will be a long term.
how will you know if its bad. we all have thought about and some maybe tryed it. I would try to weed out the people have been faced with the issue and talk some of your feelings out.
I am seriously considering starting a therapy topic somewhere out here
that would be a good idea jen I would join, I need it I have therapy most every week but sometimes friends are better
yeah you do honestly and the way you handled a certain friends situation pissed him off more than you giving me his number but we will address that in private ok. I have classes most of the day and a doc's apt so may be a while but you know when i gotta address stuff with you its not a good thing
I agree with Jen it would be a good idea to start a therapy group. I have it once a week to. It is called Coping skills.
I'd suggested a mental health board, but no one went for it. Regardless, I have thought about suicide since I was 15. I continue to think about it still. i am now 23. Thinking and contimplating it for the last eight years has gotten quite old and this last December, I actually attempted it for the first time. Most of the time I am still sick of my life and still want out. I just hate it and thinking about suicide multiple times a day just makes it worse. Unlike some people who attempt suicide, but don't mean to or want to die deep down, I do. I have wanted desperately to die for the last eight years and it's something I've sort of come to think of as my destiny. I have been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, which makes a lot of sence for me. I am going to be starting a program for people with Borderline called DBT, but I'm not sure how effective it will be for me. There's a lot of things that have happened in my life and aside from my fiance, a few online friends and a best friend in Washington state, I am an intensely lonely person. I've always been an intravert, add to that the complications of being blind and a girl who doesn't readily trust people, so it's hard for me to make friends. Therefore, aside from my best friend and a guy I was really good friends with until a couple of years ago, I have always been an outcast and still am one. I moved to Minnesota to get away from family drama and start my own life over two years ago and it's been an uphill battle most of the way for me. I've not been able to make any friends in this state, which doesn't help either.
Sorry about the novel. I'll stop rambling and get off here, but that's just a very small taste of what I deal with on a daily basis.
Thanks for Reading,
Dawnielle
I came close to suiecide yesterday and the worst thing is my mum said do it. Which doesn't help at all. I don't want to die I think it is more a cry for help. But I have started hitting myself to. I am tired and iritable maybe I just need a good night sleep.
Of course I haven't come close to suicide, but what annoys me is people saying they want to commit suicide. If you really wanted to commit suicide, you'd do it, and in such a way as to ensure you definitely died. In most cases, it's probably best if the people actually successfully complete a suicide, because then the people around them don't have to put up with their selfishness.
In a way Senior I somewhat agree with that, even though it was quite harsh in a way. I mean if they want to kill themselves so bady then by all means go right ahead but just think about what all your going to lose in process like people your going hurt and what all you still could've done with your life. Remeber you only have one life this is no videogame you don't have extra lives to spare.
I know it isn't the answer but some times people just have no controll over what they are doing. I no it is selfish to.
Dbt is a good thing i have heard, I want to get in to that but can't here in this town.
well senior, you are heartless, first of all sometimes suicide is a cry for help and I am really glad you aren't my therapist
That's right it can be a cry for help. I agree.
it's not a cry for help, but a way of seeking attention. suicide isn't the way out, bottom line.
also, some of us have been fortunate enough to grow up with positive influences in our lives, therefore, suicide has never crossed our minds. you've gotta realize you have a purpose in life, and are worth something.
i can't ever imagine feeling that down. I am a happy go lucky person. But for those of you saying go ahead and do it. you need to stop and think about what your saying. how would you feel if said person went ahead and did it, just after you told them to. They obviously think about it at times. And maybe it is an attention seeker. but don't we all want attention. some just go to extreme measures to get it. I by no means saying suicide is alright, but you need to think about what you say. I know i sure as hell would feel bad if i told someone so you have said that before now go do it. and they did it. i don't think i could ever get over that. Maybe they are seeking your attention. maybe if you talked to that person, you would find that's all they really need. would that be so bad? I'm sure a lot of you saying go ahead and do it are seeking attention on here by saying just that!. you know that will spark a reaction out of some people like me, and therefore you are getting your attention you so desire. My point we all seek attention, , some just in extreme ways, and some more than others. my rambling for the day.
Shea
well, I have grown up with positive influences in my life, and am most of the time happy, but I have tried to kill myself, and it isn't anything to do with what or who I have been around, also the attention part that is because you want help, that is why you are seeking the attention, that is how it was for me, I hurt so bad inside I would cut or O.D,or anything I could that would say hey this girl needs help, because I hurt so bad I couldn't tell anyone and when I did get some of it out it wasn't enough for anyone to realize how I felt. Thank god Ms. Arnold was there because she pulled me through more then once, and never gave up on me. If it weren't for her, and my mom, and my patient therapists I wouldn't be here. She never once let me get by with starving myself, or O.Ding, or cutting or even asking people to kill me or even feeling suicidal she always helped, reported it, and made sure I was safe, that shows that she cared and sometimes that is what we need is someone who cares.
Well, I had a best friend commit suicide. It is a selfish act. It leaves scars and holes that can never be healed.
it isn't under any circumstances a selfish act. You are right in saying it leaves scars and holes that can never be healed, I agree there, but the person isn't doing it out of selfishness, they actually care very much about the people that love and care about them. For me, when ever someone would care or love me I would take to that like a puppy because I felt I needed love and support. I tried to commit suicide as stated above and not once while thinking about or during the attempts did I forget or stop thinking about the people that cared and loved me. I felt at that point that it would solve all my problems, obviously it didn't it created more, and that is why they say that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I also would cut myself sometimes trying to commit suicide, sometimes just because the pain was a release for almost a year, but again that wasn't a selfish act, I knew that yes it hurt the people that saw and still see the scars, but I needed a release. I still cared about these people. When I would cut, I would generally do it because I either felt numb and needed to feel something, or I felt so much emotional pain I couldn't bare it so I would cut while thinking about these things and the emotional pain and the physical pain would at points sort of balance and I could feel some of both, sometimes I would only then feel the physical pain and sometimes neither. I know now that isn't the answer either; however, it did work for that period of time while I was learning coping skills. I remember many a morning sitting in MSB's principals office having my cuts counted, and many a time talking to teachers and friends about it. I finally stopped once I got out of long term placement because I didn't want to go back, and because I wanted a bright future and because I grew up.
I just hope that those of you considering suicide, or hurting yourself in any way will talk to someone first.
The truth about it is that if you are serious in what you want to do no one not even a therapist, or hospital can stop you.
Hello all,
Yes, I've had those feelings. When I think about college, or how bad the world is, yes, I have these feelings. My closest suicide attempt was that I had a plan. I didn't try, but I had a layed out plan. What stopped me was that at a blindness training center, I was writing all my depressing thoughts down on the school computer, and one of the instructors seen the document. A meeting was called by the director and councelor. I am one who keeps feelings bottled up inside and doesn't talk about them.
Well, on bad days, I feel like ending my life. I don't because I think of the consequences of doing this. I remember one time I lost my class schedule, and I wanted to drown in the bath tub. They say there's allot to live for, but look at the bad things in life! Sometimes, I don't think life is worth living, and everyone would be better off if I was dead.
i think about it alot i wonder if anyone would ever miss me if i was not around anymore. i don't remember what i have to live for anymore. but maybe some day i will see the signs of something to live for before it gets to close to the edge
I know how you feel. Sometimes I feel there's nothing to live for. In a way, I don't think anyone would miss me if I was dead, maybe they will. The advice I have for you is don't attempt suicide. You'll be in more trouble, and it's no fun.
It seems there are so many bad things on earth and I really want to get this horrible life over with.
Hi, everyone.
Shea, post 46, you have a point, but I understand the frustration felt by those who want to say "just do it, if you're going to!" It's often in response to someone who frequently threatens suicide, causing the people around them a great deal of worry, and feelings of helplessness. At some point, those people reach the end of their rope, too. It isn't that they don't care, they just want the madness to end.
My mother is one who has, all my life, talked of killing herself. She is depressed, and refuses to seek help. She has the mistaken belief that if she were just dedicated enough to God, that magically, all her troubles would disappear. I think this is absurd, besides which, I'm not religious, although I'd not try to part anyone from their own beliefs. I just wish hers made some sense and were really of some comfort. They don't seem to be. It's always me she calls when she is down, never my sister, never my father. All the listening and reassuring in the world seems never to get through to her, though. I've just had my fill of hearing her cry, and tell me how worthless she thinks she is, how pointless her life is. after years and years of this, I just feel angry and frustrated.
I have lost a friend to suicide, and yes, that was extremely painful. It was six years ago, my friend was 25, and I still cry about it sometimes. It is selfish, but on the other hand, at the time, I sort of felt that if he was so unhappy, I was glad he was successful, if that's really what he wanted to do. However, I do think it's wrong to inflict that pain on those left behind. *shrug*
I'm not prone to long-term depression, and I've never been on medication for it. I've considered suicide myself, especially when I was a teenager, but that sort of comes with the territory. The thought has crossed my mind several times as an adult, but I'm not that brave; I'm afraid of winding up even more disabled! *grin* And fortunately, my depression has always lifted enough to allow me to know that I don't want my life to end. In the times when I felt that I didn't want to be here anymore, the presence of my guide dog Denise kept me from doing anything about it. I lost her in March of this year, and I've really struggled not to give in to depression over that. I feel so incredibly lost without her, that was the most important relationship in my life. Yes, I do value my friends, but I have so few of them, right now, and... social anxiety keeps me from going out very often... these things pile up.
I didn't intend this to get so grim!
I know how you feel. I've had those kind of days where I felt that life was pointless.
At one period of time, it was so bad that I listed the bad things that happened that day. I've felt like drowning in a bathtub, getting run over by a bus, and so on.
When I was younger, I thought about committing suicide a lot! Life just wasn't worth it, there was no hope, and, I believed I could not change anything and I was fighting against a brick wall. I was very concerned about the people I planned to leave behind, and even wrote a suicide note to my mother explaining that she was in no way to blame for my suicide. If you truly believe you are going to commit suicide, call a suicide hotline, and/or take yourself to the nearest emergency room. Some people are under the false belief that "if you talk about it you won't do it". That's a foolish chance they are taking. You can control your life. If you are clinically depressed, there are various medications and therapies available. If you don't feel you have control over your life, read books like "Excuse me, Your Life is Waiting" (available from RFB&D), "How to Heal Your Life" (available from NLS libraries) or get an audiobook of "The Secret". You do have control of your life, you just perhaps need to learn about it.
I don't think that poisoning your mind with foolish inspirational happytalk or poisoning your brain with so-called antidepressants whose action is not clearly understood and which do lasting harm are answers to anything. There are things in life which each of us can control and many other things which we can't. Mostly, life consists in putting one foot in front of the other and making yourself do what you should do. Also, a good sense of humor and a capacity for empathy are of inestimable value. Beyond that, what can I say? I think that probably every thinking person considers suicide at times, because at some point in life you realize that that is an option.
I'll end with two quotations.
"They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice... that suicide is wrong;
when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has
a more unassailable title than to his own life and person."--Arthur Schopenhauer
"If a man lacks the heart to live and the courage to die, what can we do with him?"--Montaign
I believe that the question of whether suicide is right or wrong is neither here nor there. People are ultimately in control of their own choices and if their circumstances or feelings are making then consider ending their lives, who are we to judge whether they should or shouldn't ? Some people don't even understand why they have compulsive suicidal urges. Talking to someone can help view circumstances from another perspective or enable individuals to find other possible avenues to take. However I feel that at the end of the day we all have the right to make that decision for ourselves.
Good idea. I'll look for those books you mentioned. I'm not clinically depressed, but I've took some depression tests, and the results weren't good. Also, this is kept away from my family, and they don't know I'm having these feelings.
Unfortunately, I don't believe that clinical depresion can be pushed aside by forcing oneself to go through each day. People who are not clinically depressed can "push aside" an occasional bout of depression that is caused by obvious circumstances. However, the clinically depressed person is in a different category. Their depresion can exist without any obvious external cause and, often, it can become as disabling as any other illness. Although I agree with the writer who stated that drugs can have long-lasting effects, for some people it's the only way they can live a fulfilling and productive life. They cannot just shove their depression aside or fight through it to the otherside any more than you can heal a broken leg or cure pheumonia in one evening.
I haven't considered comitting suicide but when I was younger I think my older sister wantted tto comit suicide. Shegot help and I still don't knowwhat was going on. When I was in high school a boy I knew comitted suicide. If anybody needs to talk I'm here for you. If you need to talk just opm orpqn me.
I think suicide is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. I have had suicidal thoughts ever since I was in high school. However, I figured out fairly quickly that I was using suicidal thoughts to keep from facing reality. If that's what you are doing, then my suggestion would be to talk to someone else.
In some rare occasions, however, suicide comes after a well thought out process when you conclude that things really are bad and aren't likely to get any better. I believe once someone has decided that things are really bad and not likely to get better, then suicide is a viable option. These folks probably would like to talk to someone else to check out their thinking. However, if their logic is sound, then we, the survivors, should not condemn them for their act.
Just my thoughts.
Bob
Yeh. I wasn't using this to get out of reality. I felt bad and I didn't think life was going to get any better.
When I say "things aren't likely to get any better" I mean things like a terminal illness, a drastic change of lifestyle (i.e. jail). We all wake up blue some days, but that doesn't mean things aren't going to get any better.
I guess the question one should ask themselves is, "would it make any difference if I died today or tomorrow." if the answer is no, then why not wait.
Bob
Well, I notice that depressing thoughts come in episodes to me. Fore example, I feel so low some days, but others are just fine.
Nightbird, I don't know anything about you and what experience you've had with depression, anxiety, etc., but I've been there. I've paid my dues. I know what I'm talking about. I probably come across as more dogmatic and narrow-minded on these issues than I mean to be, but it angers me when the medical/psychiatric view of the human condition is held out as some sort of established truth and anyone who disbelieves in it is simply dismissed as speaking out of ignorance. Moreover, I am appalled that you would recommend a piece of garbage like "The Secret" to people who are suffering emotionally or in any other way. That book is simply an insult to thinking people.
Suicide equals an act of cowardess. That is all. It is, also, as other have said, pointless, selfish, and quite honestly, a waste. However, I hope that I am never, ever, expected to feel sorry for a suicide. there are a lot of others who go through what people who have committed suicide go through, and they don't end up killing themselves. If the suicide was a cost of medications or something like that though, I might tend to back off of my belief, but only slightly. Now, let the contravercy start!
Me talking about attempting suicide is not an attention seaking lie. That's how I feel sometimes. I do remember one time when I was having a bad day, I tried to breethe the water in our swimming pool. It didn't work because I was choaking on the water. I thought that If I inhailed enough water, I'd drown.
For the past 2 months I have wanted to die. Everyday I wake up trying to get thruogh another day because of the suffering feeling of depression I feel. People say I have changed and no one knows me but I can not help it. People say things saying that they are being realistic but how do they know when all I want to do is throw myself off of the closest cliff? My mother is the only reason I am holding on and even she is starting to slip away from me. I keep feeling if I can just get her to go to rehab then I can do it then I can leave this world
I know that suicide isn't the way out, but sometimes, I just want to die. They say that life isn't a bed of roses, but there are so many bad things in this world. Too many to count. I look forward to the day I die so this life will be behind me. They say that suicide is selfish, but my family's going to miss me weather I die by my own hand, or I die in any other way. That's why I don't eat righht or take care of my health. I'm dying anyway, so what's the point. The earlier, the better.
There was one time where I had a well thought out suicide plan. I don't feel this low all the time, but when I do, I do. I believe there's a happy life after death, and the sooner I die, the sooner I can see my loved ones in heaven. I have a lot to worry about, and a whole lot of bad things will come my way.
Download87, I don't know you, I don't know anything about you except for the boring crap that you write on these boards, and I don't think I would want to know you, but it sounds to me like your main problem is that you're too wrapped up in yourself. Stop taking your emotional temperature and asking yourself whether you're "happy" or "unhappy". That's just baby talk. Try doing something for someone else besides yourself every day. Just some little thing.
I don't think about myself only. I do think about others. When you feel as though you want to end your life, that's a feeling. Everyone has the right to feel the way they feel. I wouldn't be griping or complaining unless I had something to complain about. When you have feelings of ending your life, what do you do about it?
I tell you this, if you kill yourself, you are sure not going up! You are going strate down! To the pit.
Aw man. so if I killed myself, I won't go to heaven. I don't like that at all. I still feel down quite a lot of the time. I believe that happiness is temporary, but sadness lasts forever.
Thats rite! My friend.
Download87 I'm not going to preach to you because I can't, and wouldn't even if I could.
However, as I stated in an earlier post, I have had suicide thoughts from the time when I was a teen-ager (before some of your parents were born). But, obviously, I haven't killed myself and now suspect I never will.
For me, at least, suicide was a defense mechanism which my psyche developped to put off doing things that I knew should be done. This may be the case with you.
For others, suicidal thoughts and feeling down can be mere depression. Depression can be treated with anti depressants. I took anti depressants for about six weeks once shortly after my divorce, and it didn't solve my problems, but did help me look at things differently. It was no big deal, but it sure did help.
There. I didn't preach did I?
One other thing, were you to kill yourself tomorrow you would be missed by your family, your friends, and one ancient geezer who barely knows you.
Bob
Suicide... I shudder to think what would've happened if I hadn't said to myself amidst a sea of water and tears as I sat on the bottom of the bath 'Jen, you're going to count to three, move away from the handheld shaver on the side of the bath which you were going to slit your wrists with, you are going to get up, get dressed, cheer up, then see what tomorrow brings' and that's exactly what I did. Minutes later, the RTU work placement co-ordinater from Redhill College in Surrey where I was on an NVQ level 2 admin course at the time rang me as I was about to get dressed. I told her then, I wasn't returning to College full stop, but she said 'have a think about it this week, see how you feel next week. 'You need to talk to someone, a councellor maybe' Now I was wise to her and knew how much a councellor might help me out, not at all. they'd just listen to me, they'd all just listen as I went through the many low points of 2005
1. One of my best friends from sixthform dying from terminal illness. 2. making the huge, huge mistake of going to Redhill College where A. The tutors didn't know how to just, be organised or do their jobs. B. The place was just like the human version of a farmyard with loads of chickens running round all over the place with their heads cut off. C. I'd been locked out of my room no less than 4 times when I was there and the bloody maintenance men wouldn't fix the lock. D. Mum actually caused a huge fall-out between me and my house mate in the first rented house I stayed in there, because they chain smoked and they smoked indoors, so I was stuck in my room it was just so overpowering and bad in there. Outside College then, I just needed the physical as well as the emmotional contacts I'd had with my friends there, but it's basically impossible to catch the train from Farnham to Loughborough without one hell of a lot of changes and lastly but by no means leastly, I so, so, nearly, met and spoke to my childhood idol, Aled Jones after 18 years of waiting, but the moment passed before it had even happened. I refer to this elsewhere in the 'Let's Talk' board. A councellor just wouldn't, they couldn't help me now, so Muriel suggested I just ring my Grandparents, they'd pick me up and just get me out of the house as I obviously needed to be with someone. Half an hour later then, I was in my Grandparents' living room with a mid-morning cup of coffee beside me and the world was looking like it was the right way up again and things were going to turn for the best. Mum would be home that evening and she'd bought us a pie for our tea, she wasn't going to make me go back to College, no no no, not ever. In a way, I'm glad I am still alive, I saw my 23rd Birthday and I'm about to see my 24th Birthday, I'm glad I managed to pull myself together with a very supportive and loving family behind me all the way and I'm especially glad I've now started at RNC in Hereford and I'm on a SWO course there which will hopefully be my answer to finding employment, money and best of all, happiness and freedom.
Well bob, thanks for the post. No, you didn't preech. In a way, suicide can be a defense mechanism, or depression. Even, maybe a little of both. If you want someone to talk to, I'm there.
Suicide, as I see it, is a coward's way out. It is a way that a person doesn't have to deal with reality, or the problems they're dealing with. Not to say that people don't have reasons. If I was in deep physical pain, or I was on a ventelator and couldn't breathe, I hope that God would give me the strength to pull the plug. At the same time though, most suicides aren't like that situation.
No, you're wrong when you say "Suicide, as I see it, is a coward's way out. It is a way that a person doesn't have to deal with reality, or the problems they're dealing with."
It's one person's way of dealing with reality and the problems they have. But, perhaps there are better ways of dealing with them: and it might be our calling to help them to see a different way.
Bob
Well, Bob, you can't tell me what i see and what I don't see. That is my opinion, as I thought I made clear. Another thing, nowhere in my post did I say we can't help them. I would love to help them, but I don't think suicude is a great way to deal with problems.
Well sure, we should only help those who agree with us that suicide isn't a great way to deal with problems.
And, of course, we shouldn't go out of our way to find unique solutions to someone else's problems.
To the uninitiated, the foregoing was stated in jest.
kennynaranjo, I know you stated that was your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion, I just happen to disagree with it.
Bob
I understand, Bob. I know that you disagree, and you're also entitled to your opiinion. And, I don't think we should only help those who agree with us about suicide, but everyone else contemplating it. We should at least try to get them to see that life is worth living.
I can agree with that.
Bob
having tried suicide i can say that it isnt a good idea, i would never encourage it either.
I know that suicide is wrong, but those thoughts can't be helped if life gets so bad.
but only you can tell yourself no its called distracting, I do it all the time I do something to take my mind off stuff I focus it on other things like listing stuff at random. I learned it in dbt and it works
Jenni is right. Maybe you can't help the suicidal thoughts but you can do something about them, make lists, make a friend, make a joke.
When I have those thoughts I always ask myself if I couldn't wait until tomorrow? Don't know what I'll do when the answer is "no". <lol>
Bob
Good ideas both of you.
Everything e do is planned, but suicide is just stupid and pointless.
Hey, Donload, I think you need to _pay _attention to these posts, and not say good idea both of you. They each virtually had the same idea.
I'm being brutally honest here, I have suicidal thoughts on a fairly regular basis. What stops me is the memory that I've dealt with suicide in my family before. My now ex-wife's father killed himself, and I know from that experience that, no matter how you may feel, nobody would be better off with you not around. There are always reasons to, to paraphrase a song I never much liked, hold on for one more day. Even if it's as small a thing as maybe the football games this weekend might be worth sticking around for, that is something.
I totally agree with the last poster.
Thoughts are ok, actions are not.
Bob
No Bob, thoughts aren't really OK either. I so, so nearly did it because I was so deep in thought about that and the not-so-good year 2005 I'd had up until November 29th, that I just couldn't snap out of it or physically, get out of that shower for what felt like two hours if not more than two hours, two hours of total meltdown, headaches, horrible thoughts and worst of all, tears which I couldn't escape, until that is, I thought of who and what I'd be leaving behind if I did it, and I couldn't bear that thought, even more so than thinking about the things that'd driven me to lose it in the shower that day, so I just snapped out of my total meltdown, almost leapt out of the shower away from the razor on the far side of the bath and shot in to my room to dress and hopefully, set the world to rights again and that's when Muriel Peach, Work Placement co-ordinater rang me and told me nicely, just to get the hell out of the house and go round my Grandparents.
Thank god eh?
Jen.
Well, I agree with your posts bob, but sometimes, there's nothing to look forward to in life.
There is always tomorrow to look forward to. Unless, of course, you take that choice away, and that's your decision and responsibility.
Beware, though, suicide is a choice with no "take backs".
Bob
If I run in to this board again, I am really going to kill my self.
LOLOLOLOLS
Be my guest.
Bob
And then I am going to come back and hont Bob.
Download87
You need to take care of yourself. Because You and only you have that choice. You only have one shot at life. But. now I am done.
Suecide sucks, I found out last night that a friend of mine did commit suecide, and it leaves a big hole. That will never heal. So think about what you are doing, and those of you that are very serius about it, will not run around seecking help. At least that has been my personal experience. And I am not saying, that it is wrong. that you do seeck help, don't get me wrong. but most don't that really are truly serious.
Well, with suicide, there's no turning back. You have to be sure. Anyway, tomorrow isn't something to look forward to, but something to worry about. Really, there's nothing to be happy about most of the time.
Well, if there isn't anything to be happy about, then why not try to find something to try and be happy about?
And please don't get me wrong here when I say just runout and do it. Because I no exactly how it feels to be depressed. I suffer from depression. So I no first hand how hard it can be. But it least give yourself that chanse to find something.
DL, if there isn't a thing to be happy about, I would kill myself. So, if you're not happy, then why are you on here bitching?
kennynaranjo, I might ask you why you are on this topic encouraging someone to kill themselves?
If you've never been depressed, if you've never considered suicide, then count your lucky stars; don't encourage someone else to do the unthinkable.
Perhaps I misinterpreted your last post. I hope so.
Bob
Well, you are right Kenny, but It's so difficult to think of something to be happy about when you're down in the first place.
Also, I could care less about my health. I'm dying anyway.
Hey, Bob, I have been depressed. I am just tired of talking to someone who is asking for help but isn't doing a thing about it. Download, you're not dying, at least not to my knowledge. However, you will shorten your life tramadically if you don't start caring about your health.
I'll die someday, that's what I mean. The sooner the better.
Oh sure, you'll die someday, as we all will. I believe you are currently 20 years old, DL. That means I've lived twice as long as you plus three years. I, too, go through periods where I just don't care. But you have to care, at least a little bit. You're going to be around a very long time, best to make the most of it and take good care of yourself. Just my 2.5 cents.
KL, I don't think she is going to be around for a long time unless she starts taking care of her health.
I'm going to be around for a long time? O brother! Well, I only want to live to be about 50 at the maximum. I wouldn't mind living to be about 30 or so, depends.
well, you're not to get past twenty-three if you don't start taking care of your health.
Have you, or do you even care to see or speak with a psychiatrist or psychologist?
23, isn't quite so bad.
Well, yes, it is bad. And, I would love it if you answered my last post about the psychologist.
It could also be that not taking care of yourself could make the majority of what's left of your life pretty miserable, with health problems and the like. For me, the thought of my four-year-old daughter will spur me to do better, if nothing else will. I want to be around for her high school and college graduation and other life events.
Oh, yes, I agree with that last post.
I, too, am curious about the answer. I suspect the lack of an answer is an answer in and of itself.
Finding something to enspire you is a good idea. I've never seen a psychiatrist or a psychologist of any kind.
Well, may I suggest that you speak to one? You can go to your health department at your college and find one for free.
You may be surprised at what a psychologist can do for you, DL. Mine has been a godsend for me.
I agree Download. You need to see a psychologist. They can really help you out and have you start seeing the good aspects of life.
The psychologist can help you try and work out where you're depression's coming from and help you find ways to cope.
whereas, the psychiatrist is able to give medications if necessary. Try the psychologist first. He or she may ask some prying questions about your family life and such, but just be open and honest with him or her about it. I had to see one for panic attacks almost a year ago now.
Well hell, I tryed to give her advice on making her life just alittle bit more enjoyable, but she would rather be more miserable. Then seek help. Like drounding in the bathtub. Ya no. I have a nine year old I want to see graduate high school, and then see that she does with her life. what she chooces. But This one, wants to be depressed it sounds like. But I sure hope I am wrong here.
It's possible that some people are comfortable in their own depression. It's backward, but someone actually told me once that if they were depressed at least they were feeling something. I've spent time on both sides of depression, and I'm here to tell you it's far better on the other side, and it's well worth any energy you have to exude to get there.
I want to be happy, but if I could ever find something to be happy about.
I can tell you what makes me happy, but, perhaps you should make a list of the things that make you happy.
If you can't find anything, then indeed see a psychologist for help.
Bob
Thanks bob. Good idea.
OK, ifit's a good idea, do it then.
Very interesting topick.
I never considered Suicide myself but i am the compleete oposite which can be deppresive as well. I am so scared of dying. The slightest headage i get, a cold or a flue, then i start worying if there is anything wrong with me.
But i try and do things to keep my mind away from these feelings when i start worying and i try and find things to look forward and be happy about.
It is so interesting how some people are thinking of dying because things don't go well in their life and others get deppressed because they don't want to dy lol.
Someone I met at my old colleg said she attempted suicide twice when she was younger.
That's what I did when I was younger. I agree with the posts that a psychologist can help you to wok ou where your depression is coming from and tell you ways to cope. That's what my psychologist did. Now all I have is a nurse for the depression and a psychiatrist I see every six months or so. Some times I can go a while with out any depression then a week like this week can be quite bad. I don't think about suiside any more. But yesterday I wanted to scream or hit myself.
Here is the results from an online depression testI took a few minutes ago.
The results are as follows.
Depression Screening Test ____________________
Your total score is : 12
Major Depression (10-15) You have endorsed many of the symptoms commonly seen in
people who suffer from major depression. You should be concerned about these
symptoms and it is likely that close friends and family members are also concerned. It is
highly recommended that you consider seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist for an
evaluation. Depression is a serious disorder but is highly treatable.
Wow! Where is this test? I don't think any such test exists, and I think you got the thing about a psychologist or a psychiatrist from me.
You can go to www.alpsych.com. Click the link diagnostic screening, then the link online tests, then depression screening test. The test is quite accessible.
The shrink can definitely help.
What do you mean by shrink.
Katie, Shrink is slang for a psychologist or psychiatrist. In general, it isn't considered flattering by those I've known in the professions. Considering the harm you're doing to your body, you're setting yourself up for a long, painful death. I know you don't feel you have much to be hapy about, but you'll have even less if you continue not taking care of yourself. For your own sake, and those of us who care what happens to you, please, please reverse this trend. You're the only one who has the power to ultimately effect change in your life.
Lou
Thanks a lot, Lou.
Yeah, I have seen many of these board posts. Thanks A Lot. Are you going to take anyone's advice, or are you going to continue saying thanks to advice you don't follow?`
I must agree Katie people have tried to help you and even listen to you but you don't do anything to change. at times in our lives we all have faced things that scare us, make us cry and sometimes hurt like a fuck. but you know what?? You have to make the first step and say I am gonna fix myself and just do it. Personally this fucking topic is getting old because we want and wish to help but you won't help yourself. And trust me, I have been pretty fucking low so take your friends advice and go get help I have done it and you know what,, I felt better. sorry for my language but damn how many more times can we keep going over the same stuff!
exactly. I don't think many of us like sounding like broken records. sorry everyone.
Well, I found an online program for those with depression and anxiety disorders. I'll try it, and hopefully it would do good.
Well, even if something on a computer doesn't do any good, why do people think they need to kill themselves?
Usually suicide isn't a "have to" situation. It just seems like the least dispicable of all the options available to you.
Just my thoughts.
Bob
An online program? What happened to the suggestions of a psychiatrist or a psychologist?
Good lord! Psychiatrists or psychologists can help you much better than the computer.
Doesn't hurt to check out the online stuff. Some of them even have contact information for counselors etc.
Bob
While face-to-face help may be the preferred option, this is a step in the right direction.
Lou
Well, depends on the source. I still say that face to face is better.
No one is arguing that, but help is help where ever you get it.
Bob
Yes, I agree with you Bob.
Sorry, I agree with you bob. I was just trying to say that you can find anything online, and you have to ensure that the source is credible.
I do agree that online options are at least something, but for depression as severe as DL87 seems to have nothing will help as much as face-to-face support, and the sooner the better.
Well in my belief, suicide is pretty bad. But other than that ... isn't it a shame that people think about it? I think mostly the society is to blame because maybe they are people we make fun of or we just ignore or people who do things like drugs and their life is messed up. I had thought about suicide a few times but I never dared it. For me it was because I Had no friends and horrible experiences with guys. I have to say I had, and still have, problems with auto-aggression (that means I hurt myself sometimes). But I doN'T think of suicide anymore nowadays because I think there is definitely a meaning for life.
Well, online help's a start, isn't it?
I didn't have online help. I rather had help from above.
Well, suicide thoughts ease up if I'm looking forward to something, but I feel so down when there's nothing to be happy about. How do you find things to be happy about. Wel, one other poster said that If I can't find anything to be happy about, just die.`
This poem was made by me on a bad day like any other. Tell me what you think.Why should I bother living, because Someday, I’ll die?
Why should I bother laughing, because most of the time, I cry.
Why should I bother waking up in the morning, because I know the day will be bad?
Why should I bother being happy, because I know quite soon I’ll be sad.
They say life’s not a bed of roses, and I know that’s true.
I believe life’s a pit of boiling spikes, and very painful ones too.
I’m not as happy as I used to be.
I used to love allot and felt care free.
Now, I’m worrying about how bad life’s going to be.
Life’s like a mobility rout, but your teacher guides you half way.
You don’t know where to go, you don’t know how to get there, and if you will ever make it some day.
Now, I have lots of friends, and we like to talk on the phone.
Someday, when they all pass away, I’ll be totally alone.
I have a wonderful family, and thoughts of them are in my mind.
As quick as a flash, they’re passing away, and I’ll be the one left behind.
Life’s a bumpy road with potholes, and this bumpy road I ride.
Maybe not now, but when life gets worse, I may commit suicide.
Well Katie, my first thought is that poem was written by a person who is very anxious, scared and sad. My second thoughts echoes what has been said on this board and elsewhere to you. Maybe its time for you to be an active participant in your own future by making friends with people in person. Maybe find some groups of people that have common interests like swimming or computers and doing things with/for them. If you want an open ear and a closed mouth, you know to find me lerking on the boards.
Lou
That poem was written by me. I feel better when I write down my feelings.
It's better than keeping them inside until they explode. writing is a good idea.
Agree with the last post.
Download, I think that you might find it helpful to make a list of all the things that you think are just so horrible in your life. Then look at them and analyze just how awful they really are. On an early post you talked about wanting to kill yourself over a lost schedule card. I'm trying to understand why such a thing would be so tragic in one's life. The only one that you can change is yourself. You can not make anyone do something or be something else in your life. So, you need to look at that list of things that are so devistating and worth killing yourself over and think about what you can do to change yourself in relationship to them. If you hate your friends, think about how you can branch out to find new ones. If you can't stand being disorganized and always losing things, then come up with a plan to manage your things better. It is quite easy to make a list of all the things that a wrong. The real challenge comes when you have to step out and start putting the solutions in place. If you hate your life, then in order to make it better, you are going to have to step up and figure out what you can do to make it better. If you truly are having problems dealing
with the simple hitches in life, like losing a schedule card, then you may need to seek professional help to gain skills in coping strategies for stress management. While the computer support system you located is a start, only by sitting down face to face with a qualified professional will you be able to get to the meat of your situation. A good counselor will not just listen to you go on and on about the problems. He or she will stretch you and work with you to grow and start facing your problems. Anyone who has sought help, knows that therapy can be hard work. I advise you to frequently do an attitude check on yourself. I think you may be in an endless loop of self-fulfilling prophecy. For example, you think your life sucks and therefore it does. Positive speak can often yield positive attitude which yields positive outlooks and outcomes. Sometimes, we decide that something is awful, so no matter what life throws us, even if it is picture perfect and wonderful, we see it as soiled and messed up. I caution you to look very critically and constructively at yourself and your life. See it for what it rreally is, not what you have told yourself it is over and over and over again. I don't know what the real picture is; I just know that often people see things they way they have conditioned themselves to see things. If you tell yourself throughout the day, today is going to be a good day and even if something goes wrong, it isn't that big of a deal and it's not the end of the world, then I wonder how much better your day will seem than if you constantly think today will suck and I hate it.
as an aside, someone suggested that by killing yourself, you would guarantee yourself to an eternity in hell. I'm not sure what your faith is, but if you are a Christian, salvation through Christ and true commitment to Him is what gets you into heaven and the Bible says that nothing can take that away from you. Now, that does not mean in anyway that God would will suicide for you. He says that for any problem, He will provide a way for you to deal with it. Somehow, suicide does not suggest that you'd be relying on Him. However, I do not think that by choosing that way out, other than the way He would offer you, would be a sin unforgiveable and that would keep you out of heaven. Only a lack of belief in or rejection of Him will condemn you to hell.
And one more perplexing thing that you said was about the pool. You said that you wanted to drown yourself in the pool, maybe it was post 70 or so, but that you kept choking on the water. Um, that's what drowning is, choking on/filling your lungs with water instead of air. I'm glad the drowning didn't work out for you, because I personally hope that you choose life over suicide, but that statement was just curious to me; like you expected it to be different or something, *shrugs!
I have lost a friend to suicide, known several folks who have "tried" it and had a student come to me who said he wanted to. It is a sad, sad thing. I cannot imagine being that desperate or low, but I do not discount that those feelings are real. I just pray that folks use hotlines or friends or famly or whatever they need to help address those thoughts and come to a point where they feel great about themselves and their lives. That doesn't mean that everyday is perfect, but at least that living each day is important and something to embrace and run with.
Well, I tried thinking that today was going to be good, but it didn't last for long. I think I'm only good for helping around the house, and my family would be happy if I was gone I'll make a list of bad things in my life. The problem is, not all bad things can be helped, for example, all my family will pass away, and I'll be the only one left..
Not all of them. What about your sister. You might appriciate her someday. Maybe not now but someday. What about cousins and any other young family member. what about your friends. They'll come and go but there's plenty of opertunities to make new ones and even if you never see them it's still comforting to hear their voices.
Have you shared any of these feelings with your family?
No I haven't shared these feelings.
That might be worht considering. Rather than make a list of the bad things in your life, try making a list of the good things like your love of computers, swimming, etc. Think about it when you get up. Plan on doing something positive for yourself each day that you enjoy, and reflect on both your list of good things, and what you did that day that was positive as you go to bed.
Lou
Well, it seems as though that would be an awesome first step. If interpersonal problems are part of your discontent with life, then the only way to resolve those issues is to talk to the people you have issues with. You may find that there are things that they are willing to do to help change the situation and you may also gain insight into what's going on with them. Remember, the only one you can change is you. If you want your world to improve, then that's going to have to start with you. Asserting yourself and expressing yourself is a great way to get that ball rolling. If you sit around waiting for everyone else to fix things and make you happy, you may be sitting for a very long time. You are your own best advocate, so I encourage you to step up and start dealing with some of these things. It is easy to complain about them, and Lord knows that we all need to vent from time to time, but there comes a point where you have to decide that you're going to make a difference and start sorting things out and working on them. Oh and working at being positive for an hour or so and then giving up on it because something got hard isn't enough. Yea for trying. But, these behaviors seem to be a long lasting pattern with you that has been reinforced over and over again. You can't expect to work on it one time and have immediate and perfect success. You may have to start by saying, "for the next hour, I will find something to be happy about." Then When that hour passes, you tackle the next one. It's kind of like trying to lose weight. You can't expect to drop 40 pounds the first time you walk on the treadmill and eat a salad for lunch instead of fried foods. You have to keep working at it and do it so many times that that becomes the norm and the new pattern. It takes 21 days to form a habit; so keep pressing on with the happy thoughts thing. Oh, and if a dieter slips up and has a piece of pie at the church social, he shouldn't say, "Well, I tried to eat well but I blew it with that piece of pie, so now I'll go back to all my unhealthy eating habits all the time." No, he picks up where he left off and continues to work on making better, healthier choices. Well, mental well-being is that way too. It takes time, a lot of determination and there will be days where folks take steps backward instead of toward their ultimate goal. So, you pick yourself up, brush yourself off, learn from your struggles and press on. It's fine to lean on others from time to time and sometimes you might even feel like you need someone to carry you along, but ultimately, your happiness and achievement of your life goals is up to you. So, I challenge you to step up and start dealing with things head on. Identify the problems and then devise a plan to tackle them. And, if that's just too damn overwhelming to do on your own, get a professional to help.
well, nice idea, but what If I can't find anything to be happy about.
Um. You just did in another topic.
well, your write about being happy in other topics. About the phone, my website and so on. If I can't do anything that makes me happy, I'll be down at that time. Last night, dad was on the internet doing something, It was too early to make phone calls, and I had to play with my sister. At that time, I felt like getting run over by a bus. Last week, metro lift was late, and I wanted to go into the parking lot, and get ran over. I was wandering through the parking lot, hoping the bus would come close and hit me, but someone stopped me and had me go back to the bench where I waited.
Wow. No idea what to say here but I will repeat what a lot of people have said. If you are having these thoughts, get help.
Well, I am praying that you never have to face any major life challenge, if having to wait your turn for the computer, being frustrated about the number of minutes on your cell plan, and losing a schedule card are such huge, mood-altering crises for you. You better seek help, because if these things are really that tragic to you and not just something to whine about or seek attention over, then I cannot imagine how you might react to things that most people would agree are tragic. I think that most people would agree that allowing yourself to be controlled by such unimportant things is unusual and advise you to either get your priorities straight, or quit being so self-centered, or stop whining and be grateful for the things that you have, or get counseling for your sake and for the sake of those around you--my guess is that, due to your evident constant negativity, you must not be very fun to be around. Good luck, Katie-this is likely the last I will address this topic with you, because I strongly sense that you really aren't looking for solutions, just another place where you can gripe
I tried to commit suicide a few times myself. I went in to montel hospital s a few times but they never helped. I tried sterving myself.
The only person that really helped me was my councilor that I am seeing now. I feel commiting suicide is a stupid thing because there are a lot of people that care about you and you just don't know that. Once it is to late. Yeah, I still have thoughts of suicide but I never do it. they put me as a eatting disorder . If people do not like that is there problem .
I don't think suicide is an act of selfishness.I think if life's really that bad, that's a good reason for those thoughts. Saying that, I don't encourage suicide.
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hi all, well I think this is an interesting topic. I'm lucky enough never to have had suicidal thoughts, however when I was in secondary school I hated
it so much, hated the people, and fell out with the majority of my friends. Although it was my choice to disassociate myself from them, a part of me was
glad, and another part of me used to get really lonely. Although I was never clinically depressed because I did have things I lived for like music lessons
and home etc, school seemed like a never ending expance of days/weeks and months. I used to feel like I was living 2 lives running parallel to each other,
my awful school life, and my home life which was good and my love of music. I can definitely say that music helped me through, whenever I felt low I just
used to go and play guitar or piano for hours, it was like some sort of release. But I always had ambitions, and I knew when I left school my life would
get better, and of course it did! It started picking up dramatically when I discovered my aptitude for languages, and then I made the best decision of
my life to go and study translation, which is what I'm doing now, and later I'll probably do interpreting too. I've never looked back as they say. It was
without doubt, the best decision that I've made in my admitedly short life. As I said before, in school guitar playing was a release from all my anger
and frustration I felt. I don't play the guitar a lot anymore, I don't have time, and also I don't feel I need it. The guitar (although I didn't realise
it at the time), was my way of expressing myself and getting out what I felt without voicing my true feelings because I simply didn't know how to put them
in to words sometimes. I was also enfuriatingly unassertive, or at least that's how I see it now, which was another reason for using music to express
how I felt.
What I'm saying is: for anyone who is feeling low, find something that you have potential in and stick with it. It'll make you feel useful and that you're
worth something, and that you have your purpose in life.
Yea for you Tara!!!! That is great advice! Best of luck to you with your studies!
DL87, you're confusing. You say you don't think suicide is an act of selfishness. It seems like you're implying you would kill yourself, even though you have absolutely no comprehension of the pain and suffering of those you would leave behind if you did it, and here you sit, saying you don't think other people should do it? Please, explain.
Two former students from my high school went and killed themselves, forever changing the lives of their families, friends, and two of my teachers, who attended their funerals. You can't possibly understand how horrible and helpless my senior projects teacher felt when she sat there crying and telling us how she had one of those students in her class, and wondering why he never spoke to her and got help before it was too late. She'll never fully heal from that horrible day, nor will any of us. Their actions had an affect on all of us, as a student body, no matter how little we knew them. so, before you sit there moaning about how miserable your life is, think of the never-ending suffering your friends and family would have to endure. suicide is not an act of selfishness? I don't think so!
Well... I have been completating suicide. Things have been completely bad for me. My dad moved away on me when a couple of years ago. I found out bad news about my uncle (and one of my best friends) I hate my friggin life. Last summer I really hurt someone I cared about. ( you may know who you are) I didn't mean to be bad I just was having a hard time in my life. I still am. I keep thinking oh yup today's the day. I'll just wait and figure out how to do it. I really do hate hurting people. So to the person I hurt (once again you probably know who this is by now) I am so so so so so sorry. I didn't mean anything i said...!! I hope you can forgive me and/ or you can hate me for the rest of my good for nothing life.
Is it bad?
Well, if you want to live then you won't kill yourself...if you don't want to live and kill yourself. Mission completed!
Some people believe suicide victems end up in hell but I don't think so. It's like pushing the "off button" on your life.
So, I don't think it's that bad.
selfish, pointless, to those of us who have thought about it and then told someone, it's not a pleasent thing to think about, but then to those who have actually done it and are no longer here, why, what is so bad that you would have to kill yourself, why leave behind your family, your kids, your friends, don't they matter to you, I guess not, since you are no longer here. I was down this road, I thought about and then told someone that I thought about it and got help for it.
I'm glad you got help for it. However, many don't. It's a sad thing but that's the way it is.
This is for PitBulls13.
I'm really sorry that things seem so fucked up right now.
I don't have a magic bullet that will make things come out nice.
All I can do is tell you that total strangers care about you and what you do. If a total stranger like myself can care about you, think how much more those who really know you will be hurt by an impulsive act. Believe me, they will be devistated.
If you ever want to talk about it, send me a qn if I am online at the same time you are, or send me a private message or an email from my profile.
One thing you might think about, what if you did it and changed your mind. Oops!
Really contact me if you are serious, and you want to talk. I won't preach to you.
Bob
Indeed, and I echo Bob's sentamints.
Yeah, I've had suicidal thoughts for like 10 years. Which means I was maybe 8 or 9 when it all started. Back then I don't even think I understood what was going on. I had a lot of shit happen to me in my life so I know that was the main cause of it, but even when I was very little, there was always something I couldn't put my finger on, something that wasn't normal about me. I was always made to feel different, but even if I hadn't been, I think I still would've felt abnormal, for reasons I don't want to get into, I'm too ashamed to admit it. Suicidal thoughts have came and went for me, and they often aappear at randmo, inconvenient times. I can be happy, and then I'll get this overwhelming feeling that I just want to die. Circumstances have never really made me think of it, which is why I think I'll always feel like this. Well, not always, but as many times as this keeps happening. I'll probably have to deal with it for all my life. I never actually attempted it to the point where anyone would have noticed, but I did try to drown myself once, but the only thought that made me come up out of the water was my boyfriend, I wouldn't want to leave him like that. He's had a hard life too and he doesn't deserve that. Plus he's always been there for me, understanding and listening to me in a way that no one ever has, or ever will for that matter because he's the only person I ever let completely into my world. I really don't trust too many people. Then I started thinking about it again and I realized that the few other friends I have would be affected, my mom would be, though the rest of my family I would like to make them suffer so they could feel how I've felt all my life, since they're half the cause of it. Most of my life I felt suffocated, trapped, and unable to make my own decisions because I try so hard to be perfect and be like everybody else. I want to be a normal, functioning member of society who never stands out and never gets noticed. But I know I'm too different for that. In the school I go to everybody has their own little cliques and I only have about 3 friends. The rest of them hate me even though I've never done anything to them. I know I shouldn't try to be perfect for people, but I always think there's something wrong with me if people don't like me. So I expect to be liked by everyone because it seems like everyone else around me is, so why should I be any different? I just wanted to tell some of my story in case there's anyone out there who could relate to it. Remember you're never alone, it's really true, even though you might not always believe it. And to some of the people who commented that suicide is "attention seeking": that is the worst thing you could ever say to a seriously suicidal person. It will cause them to be even more ashamed of their thoughts, further alienating them. Once my sister called me a psycho and an attention whore because she found out I cut myself. That made me want to die all the more because I didn't want to be known as a pitiful, waste of space, disgraceful attention seeking prude. People who cry for attention are the worst kind of people in my opinion. Like the story of the boy who cried wolf? Never, ever compare me to that, or anyone else who's suicidal. It's not right, and there are better ways to get attention anyways. All you have to do is stand out and you're bound to get enough negative looks and criticisms to last a lifetime. So to sum this all up, I don't think suicide is wrong, nor do I think you'll automatically go to hell if you do it. But maybe I'm saying that because I'm an agnostic, so I don't conform to any one religion, I like to form my own ideas about what happens after we die. Plus I believe in fate, so I think if someone takes their life, it was just their destiny, something they were meant to do, another piece of the puzzle we all make up in this world. Everything happens for a reason. OK, enough of my rambling. Any comments would be welcome, and remember, there really are people out there who know what you're going through, so don't give up. It just takes a long time to find them, but it's all worth it in the end when you know, really, truly know in your heart, that you're completely loved and understood by somebody.
I, too, had thoughts about it but, I never attempted it. I told one of my friends about it, and she helped me out. Since then, i've never had a thought about it. I know another friend who was thinking about it, and I tried my best to help her.
Suicide isn’t always irrational, and people will do it because they can’t handle this earth anymore. It’s too mediocre. They are just too good for it. However, I am not planning to do it soon or at all.
I agree with post two. Suicide is selfish and pointless. But if you truly feel that that is the only solution to your problem, and all else had failed, and you've tried everything else and nothing's worked, then go for it.
Your life's all about you, and if you wanna end it, then you should have that right.
Ok suicide is not the answer to any question.
However, people some of them do need meds to help their brain. Sometimes it's something that can't be controlled without the help of medication. So remember the ones that think it's not for them, maybe so. But others might have to seek that medication to help them. And they may need that type of thing for life.
Yes some people need medication to help there brain. Some don't go for help a tall. I myself asked for help an got a psycholigist and psychiatrist. I don't need a psychologist any more. But I still take medcation.
i actually have a friend who suffers from bipolar disorder and she is attending the same school i am attending.
shes a sophmore i think but even with her depression, she finds her refuge in doing artistic hobbies like creating videos about her days and real life event.
one day she actually made a video about her days at school and i was in it. and in the video we laughed and talked while being outside in the freezing cold obviously i forgot my thick jacket that day while walking to my night class.
thank god i haven't gotten sick yet.
I love how other people say: "Is it really that bad?" to a person who's considering suicide.
To that person, it is "really that bad", otherwise they wouldn't be contemplating it. It's kind of like asking the ovbious.
Is it selfish? Sure it is. Noone's denying that. However, I'm willing to bet that you'd be hard pressed to find someone who hasn't thought about it.
I've talked to many people who say the only thing that has kept them from killing themselves was their religion or a belief that they would go to Hell.
To me, Hell is right here on earth, but that's another story.
As for myself, I've been suicidal off & on since I was 6 years old. Even being born blind hasn't helped me "deal with/accept" my blindness more readily then someone who gets smacked with a diagnosis of an eye disease or is in an accident & has already had their sight for a while.
And, if you're punched, kicked & spit upon in school, if your home life is torture & you know your life will be continuously filled with operation upon operation, it just makes it that much harder.
So yes, I have contemplated suicide, no, it is not a joke to be bandied about, & no, I don't advise others to go out & kill themselves.
This post is dealing with several posts at once, not just the original post.
So to the original poster & anyone else who reads this & is truly considering ending their lives, my email is always available, & I'm always willing to listen rather through QN, PM, email or by phone. I know what it's like to feel like you're alone & noone gives a fuck, so just know that I do care & you are always welcome to get in contact with me.
I know how hard it is to escape those feelings on your own, which is basically how I had to go it, alone.
Yes, anyone who hasn't been threw it doesn't know how it feels.